Comments on: Little Girl Poca And Our Foster Care System: Foster Parents Vs. DSHS (1 of 5) http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/ Explaining and Discussing Washington Family Law Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:47:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: taffy19 http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-76 taffy19 Thu, 21 May 2009 02:41:47 +0000 http://decouplingblog.com/?p=1698#comment-76 it looks to me like these people traded this child off like going to the dog pound getting a new puppy and decided they did.nt want it.cps is nothing but a joke they dont check on these kids and the ones that do they know ahead of time they are coming so every one can be on there tippie toes.i know alot of foster familys have cps as family members you pat my back i'll pat your back as the old saying go'si'm glad this case happen not for the foster family but for the child and the money they are spending for alawyer guess who's paying the tab for it from the money they received from caring for these foster kids thats where.god i miss my grandkids from all my heart and sole.the sleepless nights then i come across a story such as these people cps like i said is a joke take the kids out of a home where the parents do drugs and dont care for the kids but good lord dont take the kids from loving familys that are trying the best they can.cps has got to stop doing what they are doing to familys the courts need to stop listening to the lies that cps puts out to them it looks to me like these people traded this child off like going to the dog pound getting a new puppy and decided they did.nt want it.cps is nothing but a joke they dont check on these kids and the ones that do they know ahead of time they are coming so every one can be on there tippie toes.i know alot of foster familys have cps as family members you pat my back i’ll pat your back as the old saying go’si’m glad this case happen not for the foster family but for the child and the money they are spending for alawyer guess who’s paying the tab for it from the money they received from caring for these foster kids thats where.god i miss my grandkids from all my heart and sole.the sleepless nights then i come across a story such as these people cps like i said is a joke take the kids out of a home where the parents do drugs and dont care for the kids but good lord dont take the kids from loving familys that are trying the best they can.cps has got to stop doing what they are doing to familys the courts need to stop listening to the lies that cps puts out to them

]]> By: Lawdoll http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-75 Lawdoll Tue, 19 May 2009 19:41:14 +0000 http://decouplingblog.com/?p=1698#comment-75 The main reason I posted this story on my blog is to show the lengths that CPS will go through to remove a child. It doesn't not matter if they have to lie, forge documents, falsified records, or ignore that an abuse substantiation has been removed by a judge. The foster parents in this case are getting national attention, yet biological parents experiencing the same type of illegal behavior by CPS all of the time and no one listens to them...they are just automatically assumed to be child abusers because "CPS Says so..." That is not always the case, in many cases children are illegally removed from their biological parents for no reason what so ever...they may have questioned CPS authority when they came to their home, stated their constitutional rights, or complained about the social worker and departments inability to perform their job as perscribed by law. The fact remains, the fosters in this case and in Washington are at least protected by a law barring retaliation by CPS, Bio parents are not....and while these fosters receive national attention because a child that is not even theirs legally is being removed, biological parents who's children are being removed illegally are being ignored by the media and the government. I think more focus needs to be placed on changes to CPS to protect families and children...especially when they are being torn apart by lies...more focus needs to be place on the actions and inactions of CPS...this system is broken beyond repair, they are removing children who should not be removed and leaving children who should be removed to die...ask yourself why, could it be because they only want "adoptable children for those bonus funds?" Ask yourself why national attention is given to foster parents who are having their "foster" child removed, but no attention is given to natural parents in the same boat! The main reason I posted this story on my blog is to show the lengths that CPS will go through to remove a child. It doesn’t not matter if they have to lie, forge documents, falsified records, or ignore that an abuse substantiation has been removed by a judge.

The foster parents in this case are getting national attention, yet biological parents experiencing the same type of illegal behavior by CPS all of the time and no one listens to them…they are just automatically assumed to be child abusers because “CPS Says so…” That is not always the case, in many cases children are illegally removed from their biological parents for no reason what so ever…they may have questioned CPS authority when they came to their home, stated their constitutional rights, or complained about the social worker and departments inability to perform their job as perscribed by law.

The fact remains, the fosters in this case and in Washington are at least protected by a law barring retaliation by CPS, Bio parents are not….and while these fosters receive national attention because a child that is not even theirs legally is being removed, biological parents who’s children are being removed illegally are being ignored by the media and the government.

I think more focus needs to be placed on changes to CPS to protect families and children…especially when they are being torn apart by lies…more focus needs to be place on the actions and inactions of CPS…this system is broken beyond repair, they are removing children who should not be removed and leaving children who should be removed to die…ask yourself why, could it be because they only want “adoptable children for those bonus funds?” Ask yourself why national attention is given to foster parents who are having their “foster” child removed, but no attention is given to natural parents in the same boat!

]]> By: joe44 http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-74 joe44 Tue, 19 May 2009 01:07:23 +0000 http://decouplingblog.com/?p=1698#comment-74 I hate to point out the obvious here but the writer of this article is instructing the reader how to use critical thinking when reading news stories, he's not attacking the Langleys. Due to the lack of information present in the news stories, the writer here points out several things he doesn't know about the Langley's involvement in the case, then speculates about the possible things the Langleys were doing wrong to cause DSHS to accuse them of neglecting Taylor. He did this to demonstrate some of the complexities that can be involved with these types of cases, but the Langleys have already been exonerated of any wrong doing in a court of law that concluded DSHS's allegations were unfounded. In part 2 of this series of articles the writer emphasizes: "It is of course noteworthy that the court in the more recent licensing hearing ruled that the Langleys did not neglect Taylor or any other child." The writer of this series of articles didn't expound on this, but more information about this court case can be found on other websites. It seems some of the people commenting here mistook the writer's speculations for fact and thought he was actually trying to say the Langleys are bad foster parents when in fact he kept repeating "I don't know" when referring to the details of the case concerning the Langleys. I agree with JK in that I get the impression some of the people who left a comment here might have let a general bias they have against foster parents cloud their judgment. And by the way, I don't know the Langleys. I hate to point out the obvious here but the writer of this article is instructing the reader how to use critical thinking when reading news stories, he’s not attacking the Langleys. Due to the lack of information present in the news stories, the writer here points out several things he doesn’t know about the Langley’s involvement in the case, then speculates about the possible things the Langleys were doing wrong to cause DSHS to accuse them of neglecting Taylor. He did this to demonstrate some of the complexities that can be involved with these types of cases, but the Langleys have already been exonerated of any wrong doing in a court of law that concluded DSHS’s allegations were unfounded. In part 2 of this series of articles the writer emphasizes:

“It is of course noteworthy that the court in the more recent licensing hearing ruled that the Langleys did not neglect Taylor or any other child.”

The writer of this series of articles didn’t expound on this, but more information about this court case can be found on other websites.

It seems some of the people commenting here mistook the writer’s speculations for fact and thought he was actually trying to say the Langleys are bad foster parents when in fact he kept repeating “I don’t know” when referring to the details of the case concerning the Langleys. I agree with JK in that I get the impression some of the people who left a comment here might have let a general bias they have against foster parents cloud their judgment. And by the way, I don’t know the Langleys.

]]> By: JK http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-73 JK Mon, 18 May 2009 17:46:31 +0000 http://decouplingblog.com/?p=1698#comment-73 It's amazing who comes out of the woodwork over cases in the realm of the media. Those who are outraged by previous personal experiences seem to find this venue of blogging/commenting as their podium. While I too appreciate the right for this law firm to present the Langley/Poca case in an intelligent and unbiased format, I do want to testify that I am a personal friend of the Langleys (over 10 years now), wanting to encourage those who read this series that not all the pertinent information is given. Before you step up with the purpose of negative judgement, seek out the facts. Unfortunately, not all factual information is available and I can also testify to the fact that DSHS/CPS made FALSE allegations time and again. We all hope that those in a powerful position would behave with high ethical and moral standards, but this is not always the case with these departments. I am saddened for those social workers who in fact have altruistic beliefs and work for the benefit of all within each case...bio parents, foster parents and more importantly, the children, who didn't ask to be born into the system. I also want to testify regarding the Langleys adopted son whom is mentioned in this part of the series. If Mr. Rao would have done his homework, he would have found out that this boy was extremely well cared for and loved beyond measure by the Langleys. He was cared for physically, mentally and developmentally from the beginning of his life with the Langleys, who sought as much professional care as they could possibly seek. Unfortunately, this poor little guy, who called me "auntie", was exposed to an unbelievable amount of drug paraphenalia in utero and was it was obvious to all who met him that he was not your average child. The Langleys knew what his circumstances were from the beginning and were willing to give their all to help this little guy succeed in the world as well as he could. After years of helping him in all possible ways, he unfortunately continued to become more and more aggressive/violent. He would attack people without being provoked at a very young age. He had an obvious attachment disorder no matter how much love and how healthy the environment around him was. I did respite care for the family and I will tell you that if he were mine, I would not be comfortable sleeping at night, for fear he would burn the house down or attack me...even though he told me often "I love you Auntie". ANYONE who spent time with him, would not trust him around other children. THIS is the most important reason the Langleys looked into other treatment/care facilities for him. They desired more than anything to keep him within the family yet wanted to make sure he was safe, knowing he was in need of 24 hour monitoring. The state (DSHS,etc) refused to help them, so after weeks and weeks of being turned away they pursued placement within the state themselves. They found placement within a facility who was willing to take him, but the state intervened and refused this possibility. Because the other Langley children were at risk (He had already broken his mom's nose and attacked another woman with a knife...at the age of 5 mind you) they moved their son to the home of one of their great friends whom the boy loved being around. Yes it happened to be a farm...people do live on farms. This was a temporary placement for their son. He was given great care at this farm and the allegations made about "nude dancers, etc" were all false. This began with a disgruntled neighbor in the area who called CPS to say that the boy was living on coke and doritos. It all escalated from there with all the unfounded stories. To conclude, because I could write all day about what I witnessed, I will just say that this amazing boy, whom the Langleys continue to love to this day, was placed with another family who had no children and were willing to work with his extreme issues. Because the state would not help, the Langleys placed the boy where he would have more than they were able to give. It took weeks of prayer and COPIOUS tears for them to reach this decision. So for those of you who think the worst of the Langleys...take the plank out of your own eye. You don't know the truth or how you would have handled this situation. Stop spending energy on bashing people and give it towards helping kids... It’s amazing who comes out of the woodwork over cases in the realm of the media. Those who are outraged by previous personal experiences seem to find this venue of blogging/commenting as their podium.
While I too appreciate the right for this law firm to present the Langley/Poca case in an intelligent and unbiased format, I do want to testify that I am a personal friend of the Langleys (over 10 years now), wanting to encourage those who read this series that not all the pertinent information is given. Before you step up with the purpose of negative judgement, seek out the facts. Unfortunately, not all factual information is available and I can also testify to the fact that DSHS/CPS made FALSE allegations time and again. We all hope that those in a powerful position would behave with high ethical and moral standards, but this is not always the case with these departments. I am saddened for those social workers who in fact have altruistic beliefs and work for the benefit of all within each case…bio parents, foster parents and more importantly, the children, who didn’t ask to be born into the system.
I also want to testify regarding the Langleys adopted son whom is mentioned in this part of the series. If Mr. Rao would have done his homework, he would have found out that this boy was extremely well cared for and loved beyond measure by the Langleys. He was cared for physically, mentally and developmentally from the beginning of his life with the Langleys, who sought as much professional care as they could possibly seek. Unfortunately, this poor little guy, who called me “auntie”, was exposed to an unbelievable amount of drug paraphenalia in utero and was it was obvious to all who met him that he was not your average child. The Langleys knew what his circumstances were from the beginning and were willing to give their all to help this little guy succeed in the world as well as he could. After years of helping him in all possible ways, he unfortunately continued to become more and more aggressive/violent. He would attack people without being provoked at a very young age. He had an obvious attachment disorder no matter how much love and how healthy the environment around him was. I did respite care for the family and I will tell you that if he were mine, I would not be comfortable sleeping at night, for fear he would burn the house down or attack me…even though he told me often “I love you Auntie”. ANYONE who spent time with him, would not trust him around other children. THIS is the most important reason the Langleys looked into other treatment/care facilities for him. They desired more than anything to keep him within the family yet wanted to make sure he was safe, knowing he was in need of 24 hour monitoring. The state (DSHS,etc) refused to help them, so after weeks and weeks of being turned away they pursued placement within the state themselves. They found placement within a facility who was willing to take him, but the state intervened and refused this possibility. Because the other Langley children were at risk (He had already broken his mom’s nose and attacked another woman with a knife…at the age of 5 mind you) they moved their son to the home of one of their great friends whom the boy loved being around. Yes it happened to be a farm…people do live on farms. This was a temporary placement for their son. He was given great care at this farm and the allegations made about “nude dancers, etc” were all false. This began with a disgruntled neighbor in the area who called CPS to say that the boy was living on coke and doritos. It all escalated from there with all the unfounded stories. To conclude, because I could write all day about what I witnessed, I will just say that this amazing boy, whom the Langleys continue to love to this day, was placed with another family who had no children and were willing to work with his extreme issues.
Because the state would not help, the Langleys placed the boy where he would have more than they were able to give. It took weeks of prayer and COPIOUS tears for them to reach this decision. So for those of you who think the worst of the Langleys…take the plank out of your own eye. You don’t know the truth or how you would have handled this situation. Stop spending energy on bashing people and give it towards helping kids…

]]> By: Amy http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-70 Amy Mon, 18 May 2009 00:24:30 +0000 http://decouplingblog.com/?p=1698#comment-70 I have a question for anyone who can help me. I am a college student who is writing a paper about this topic. Are their any laws that protect the foster parents in the sense of if you have the child from birth to 9 years old, are there any rights that are established for you when the biological parents want and get custody back? I'm new to the internet and am having problems trying to find information on here. I know there are laws regarding foster parents wanting to adopt a foster child but don't know much else on the subject. Thanking anyone in advance for their assistance. I have a question for anyone who can help me. I am a college student who is writing a paper about this topic. Are their any laws that protect the foster parents in the sense of if you have the child from birth to 9 years old, are there any rights that are established for you when the biological parents want and get custody back? I’m new to the internet and am having problems trying to find information on here. I know there are laws regarding foster parents wanting to adopt a foster child but don’t know much else on the subject. Thanking anyone in advance for their assistance.

]]> By: Debbie http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-68 Debbie Sat, 16 May 2009 20:02:40 +0000 http://decouplingblog.com/?p=1698#comment-68 well the information that was presented was that this little child was beaten with a belt on this farm by some shady characters there...not exactly an "outdoor fun experience" well the information that was presented was that this little child was beaten with a belt on this farm by some shady characters there…not exactly an “outdoor fun experience”

]]> By: Denise Dodson http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-67 Denise Dodson Sat, 16 May 2009 14:19:17 +0000 http://decouplingblog.com/?p=1698#comment-67 People send their own biological children to outdoor boot camps and farms all the time for therapeutic reasons. They pay top dollar for this. I do not hear too much public outcry about this. No one knows why this happened in this case and perhaps living on a farm is a wonderful experiennce. People send their own biological children to outdoor boot camps and farms all the time for therapeutic reasons. They pay top dollar for this. I do not hear too much public outcry about this. No one knows why this happened in this case and perhaps living on a farm is a wonderful experiennce.

]]> By: Little Girl Poca And Our Foster Care System: Why Public Outcry May Not Help Her (5 of 5) | Decoupling Seattle Family Law and Divorce Blog http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-64 Little Girl Poca And Our Foster Care System: Why Public Outcry May Not Help Her (5 of 5) | Decoupling Seattle Family Law and Divorce Blog Sat, 16 May 2009 07:01:14 +0000 http://decouplingblog.com/?p=1698#comment-64 [...] the first four parts of this five-part series, I have discussed 1) The fight between DSHS and Poca’s foster family; 2) Some vital questions the media is mostly ignoring on this case; 3) Why DSHS and the Courts [...] [...] the first four parts of this five-part series, I have discussed 1) The fight between DSHS and Poca’s foster family; 2) Some vital questions the media is mostly ignoring on this case; 3) Why DSHS and the Courts [...]

]]> By: Little Girl Poca And Our Foster Care System: An Attorney’s Perspective (4 of 5) | Decoupling Seattle Family Law and Divorce Blog http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-61 Little Girl Poca And Our Foster Care System: An Attorney’s Perspective (4 of 5) | Decoupling Seattle Family Law and Divorce Blog Sat, 16 May 2009 06:55:34 +0000 http://decouplingblog.com/?p=1698#comment-61 [...] the first three parts of this five-part series, I discussed 1) The fight between DSHS and Poca’s foster family; 2) Some vital questions the media is mostly ignoring on this case; and 3) Why DSHS and the Courts [...] [...] the first three parts of this five-part series, I discussed 1) The fight between DSHS and Poca’s foster family; 2) Some vital questions the media is mostly ignoring on this case; and 3) Why DSHS and the Courts [...]

]]> By: Little Girl Poca And Our Foster Care System: Why DSHS & The Courts Favor Reunification (3 of 5) | Decoupling Seattle Family Law and Divorce Blog http://decouplingblog.com/2009/05/foster-parents-dshs-and-a-little-girl-named-poca-1-of-2/comment-page-1/#comment-60 Little Girl Poca And Our Foster Care System: Why DSHS & The Courts Favor Reunification (3 of 5) | Decoupling Seattle Family Law and Divorce Blog Sat, 16 May 2009 06:50:36 +0000 http://decouplingblog.com/?p=1698#comment-60 [...] the first two parts of this five-part series, I discussed 1) The fight between DSHS and Poca’s foster family; and 2) Some vital questions the media is mostly ignoring on this [...] [...] the first two parts of this five-part series, I discussed 1) The fight between DSHS and Poca’s foster family; and 2) Some vital questions the media is mostly ignoring on this [...]

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